Ex. Talent application with unusual background - Need Advice

Hi, I’m thinking about applying for the exceptional talent visa, but my background is unusual relative to the kinds of evidence they are looking for. I’m looking for advice or a reality check before I start asking other people to write evidence and letters of recommendation.

My background in short:

  • 20 years at a top global consulting company, wherein I led innovation groups in Silicon Valley and in France, and wrote 3 books (with chapters in more), 30+ patents, and enough academic papers to still have an h-index on par with an average professor. During this time, I also did work that is in the Smithsonian collection (deep in the basement…) and was a presenter at many events. But… this was all 10+ years ago and in the cases of presentations, very little evidence.

  • 4 years at a top US bank, where I and my group developed the initial concepts for a lot of what you’ll still see on their site today. The issue is that this was 6+ years ago, and there’s very little public evidence of my involvement. Banks being what they are, I don’t have internal documents, etc. Also, being a managing director at a top bank limits your presentation and publishing to basically zero.

  • 2 years as the head of technology for another top US bank, overseeing a budget of nearly $500MM. Again, almost no external evidence.

After 2 years of that, I decided I’d rather do something more exciting than a slow moving bank. I had the good fortune to be able to take the risks of applying my experience to help companies grow.

  • 2 years as a CTO of a startup that actually launched well, but dissolved when the founder started breaking the law. Because of this, there’s almost no evidence of our initial success.

  • Two years as the head of technology at another FinTech

  • One year at a consulting company, where my role has been to advise clients on new digital financial products. Again, the nature of the work is such that there’s very little public evidence.

So, my challenge is this: the evidence requirements seem to be biased toward things like publications and external presentations, but most of the people who are senior tech leaders in FS don’t do much of that. That was one of the reasons I left the consulting role: I was speaking around the world, and appearing in magazine and newspaper articles, but not making the impact that I did later at the banks (“silently”).

I’m wondering if others have had similar circumstances and how it affects the process. It feels disconnected from the way the rest of the world assesses “talent”. For instance, in a job interview I’d expect to talk about how I redefined the digital experience for a multi-billion dollar mortgage business, but I wouldn’t be asked for proof in the form of screenshots and speaking roles. Is there a different approach?

In some cases, I could probably provide evidence in the form of letters written by people involved with the work, but I don’t want to ask them to do that if my chances are low.

Thank you - any input would be greatly appreciated.

Hi @keldem it will be more helpful for people to give feedback if you can go through the official TN guidelines, select the two OCs that fit your work experience of last 5 years. And then clearly list down what you think you have as strong evidence matching the examples of evidences mentioned by TN towards MC and 2 selected OCs.

The application success is more about meeting the application requirements with demonstrable evidence from the examples listed by TN than your overall profile.

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Thank you. I think that’s what I’m struggling with:

I’m trying to reconcile the guidelines with the realities of something like a job interview. When I have interviewed successfully for roles similar to a “leader in fintech”, people don’t ask for “evidence”, mainly because there is none. The only concrete attribution would come from confidential documents and emails. An interviewer will generally assess truthfulness by the way the conversation goes.

So, I’m not asking for feedback on my accomplishments or evidence. I’m trying to understand how to approach things in cases where my strongest accomplishments cannot be evidenced by something like a screenshot.

I am not sure I understand what you have mentioned about job interviews.

TN has clearly defined guidelines and examples they accept. You will also find a ton of applicants strategy on this forum who have received success as well as rejections. Going through them to understand what will make for a strong application will help you gather relavant evidences.

TN does constantly seek third party validation from evidences for successful applications.

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I think you are comparing global talent application with a job interview, it is not the same. The UK Government have a guide on what they expect from exceptional talents and potential leaders around the world who want to live and work in the UK. It is about demonstrating you meet the requirement set in the guide, if you don’t have this then this visa may not be for you. You may be better off interviewing for a job and getting sponsored to work on the field. Hope this helps.

Theres an eligibility form that you can fill out on the Tech Nation website to give you an idea if you are likely to get endorsed.
Also try to match your experience to each criterion in the guideline to see if you qualify.
If you dont have a public profile as a product led tech leader dating back over 5 years, then you may have to settle for exceptional promise route (5 years to ILR).